i was just wondering the other night, y do all the characters on Sotl always say so mote it be at the end of some spells or after conversations. i just dont get what it means. i always supposed it was just a sort of acceptance thingy.

Harri Feenstra

"They think all writing is magic. Words worry them. See their swords? They glow blue in the presence of lawyers."

The Wee Free Men by Terry Pratchett.

It's a bit like 'Amen', I think. The end of spells, well, that's obvious, you need to end a spell. And at the end of prayers as well.
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So mote it be = So let it come to be. IceRose is right. In Wicca/witchcraft it is used to end spells or prayers--which is exactly what the characters use it for.

Dragon

Do pagans (not those who are Wiccian) do the same? I've always thought Tammy's characters as pagan, but not Wiccian. I know they do spells, but I guess I match that more with the fact they live in a magical world, than their religion. I match their religion more with the fact they worship more than one god.

Our Lady Peace

I know witches who aren't pagan/Wiccan who use "so mote it be" to end spells.
nim

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Obsessor over all things Romeo and Juliet , esp. Mercutio
Mistress of Stage Violence

Yeah.

I'm not wiccan, and I usually say so mote it be when praying.

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merrrik

It's just a simple medieval end phrase that I thought would work for something set in a non-Christian universe. These days it's associated with pagan practice, but it's been in use generally for a long time.

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

Yeah.. I gues "dominus vobiscum" wouldn't quite work, now, would it. *imagines Alanna finish casting spell and saying: "dominus vobiscum"* no. definitely not. Pax vobiscum's a little better...

>Yeah.. I gues "dominus vobiscum" wouldn't quite work, now,
>would it. *imagines Alanna finish casting spell and saying:
> "dominus vobiscum"* no. definitely not. Pax vobiscum's a
>little better...

You're right - "dominus vobiscum" wouldn't work in a polytheistic culture, since dominus means "God", singular. "Dominae vobiscum" might, though.... <g>

Anyway, Tammy doesn't use Latin in her books b/c that would make it too close to Western civilization's evolution from the Roman Empire - which would mean she'd probably have to deal w/Roman Catholicism's deeply-ingrained misogny and how it pretty much infected everything it touched. Better to sidestep that altogether....

Best,
Tim
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Best,
Tim
Your Admin

:: sigh :: Tim, do we think we could just simply answer perfectly reasonable comments without launching ourselves into one of Tim's Certified and Patented Screeds, in this case Screed #9, Catholicism? Do we absolutely have to share without any request for said sharing whatsoever?

WILL YOU KNOCK IT OFF?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem. Gentle readers, forgive this small glimpse into the Land of the Battling Bickersons. Tim's going to be a better boy and try to exercise some tact now, instead of speaking in tongues. Aren't we, Tim?

Dameragnall, he was right about the Latin. I've been trying to avoid a certain amount of Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, which is why Broad Foot was a duckmole rather than a platypus. And I know I haven't exactly been consistent about this, but at least I refrain from what's really obvious.

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

<<Gentle readers, forgive this small glimpse into the Land of the Battling Bickersons.>> My regularly scheduled program is trig homework - much rather read you guys...
nim

Willing Answerer of All Pagan-Related Questions
Friendly Local Herbalist
Obsessor over all things Romeo and Juliet , esp. Mercutio
Mistress of Stage Violence

>>much rather read you guy

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

I'll have to check this. Do you really refrain from latinate words? What I mean is, how far does it go? I've never paid attention to the words your characters use. Do they use mainly Celtic/Germanic root words too? That would be so cool!

>>Do you really refrain from latinate words?

Within limits, or I'd never finish a book. A lot of it is religious terminology and scientific terminology. And it's loony--I can't even give myself permission to call Lindhall Reed a bio-mage, which is what he is. Did you see how I renamed the dinosaurs in EMPEROR MAGE? If I couldn't translate the Latin form, or if it was named after a more modern discoverer, I had to come up with something. And it killed me not to call Bonedancer an archaeopteryx!

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

Is that why the platupus is called a Duckmole?

~Lucy

Fiver Beyond!

I'm not going to be your monkey~Jon Stewart

*suddenly loses headache from store* Hebrew? What about Hebrew? Huh, huh?
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

Dameragnall, as Tammy write in English, she can't avoid using words of Germanic origin. English is a mostly-Germanic language, though it has lot of Latin-derived and Celtic-derived words.

AS for Hebrew... This is really funny. I don't think Tammy used a single Hebrew word on purpose, but look at some of these names:

Dalil al Marganit - (Myles's Sirajit secret agent, from LR) "Dalil" in Hebrew means "Thin, sparse" - as in the opposite of dense, concentrated. "Marganit" is the Hebrew for "daisy", and is also the name of Modan Publishing's line of children's books translated into Hebrew from foreign languages.

Zahir ibn Alhaz - "Zahir" means "cautious" in Hebrew. I find that hilarious. (Well, Zahir was the one bully who learned his lesson and stopped being one...)

I just finished re-reading ItHotG, and I'll soon start on WWRLaM - which means I'll soon be back with some more Bazhir names that are Semitic words. (Right now I just can't remember any of the names of the Bloody Hawk people.)

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Jeez, grl! You Jewish or something? I'm Jewish and I didn't even catcht that!!! *is more embarressed than she was w/ the zizith thing in school* But that some of the names are Hebrew is way cool!
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

>as Tammy writes in English, she can't avoid using words of Germanic origin.

I know. Does she specifically aviod Latin and Greek words, though?

Oh, well, *names.* I use names from all over the world, including Hebrew and Arabic ones. All I require is that it sound good and that it doesn't mean something goofy.

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

I use Hebrew as one of the language bases for Tradertalk in the Circle universe.

And Celts scare me.

Guys, my linguistics is surface stuff only--please don't take me too seriously!

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

Hah! I knew Traders were part Jew!

I also got the idea for Traders in the first place from the treatment of medieval Jews and the continued treatment of Gypsies, and the way each culture was shaped by that treatment. I don't think I've ever denied it. And it made for a pretty interesting culture here, I think.

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

Hmmmm... I've GOT to read up on that... *wants INFO*
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

Oooooooooooooooooooh, explain, por favor! *is way interested*
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

Hence why I said in Wicca and in witchcraft...

Dragon

No, you said Wicca/Witchcraft, as if they where interchangeable hence leading me to beileve that you meant Wiccans. Your bad phrasing is not my problem. Furthmore, had you said what you meant, my answer is still valid.I'm a pagan. I'm not really a Witch, in the sense that (I presume) you meant. Most Witches are much much more traditional then me. The name implies ceretain beilefs to which i do not partake. I know what a Witch is. I am not really one.

In the future, please trust my judgement as to what i am, quote yourself correctly, and say what you mean before talking to me as if I am the one that's wrong.

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merrrik

Armand, take it easy, don't jump down her/his throat. The Internet isn't the perfect communications medium to begin with - so don't compound the problem by getting all self-righteous. Okay?

Sincerely,
Tim
Your Admin

Best,
Tim
Your Admin

Thank you, Tim.

As for my challenger:

1) The slash meant "and", b*tch.
2) You don't like my f*cking writing, then don't f*cking read it.
3) Don't jump down my throat. Next time I won't be so nice.

Tim, forgive me for the bad words, but I'm gonna put her in her place. Nevertheless, I still meant in Wicca and in Witcraft. In Wicca it is used for prayer and witchcraft its use for spells. I'm pagan too. I said AND because not all Wiccans are witches (I for example am one of those people) and vice versa. So I included both.

Dragon

Guys, take it easy! It was just a miscommunication - no need to start flaming each other.

See my profile for my prettyful titles!

  

Armand is a he, not a she.

And please refrain from swearing. I don't care how mad you were. It was a misunderstanding. Calm down.

What Magewolf and BE said - chill, both of you.

Sincerely,
Tim
Your Admin

Best,
Tim
Your Admin

It's not possible for Dragon 2 stop swaring... that's her personality...
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

You took the words right out of my mouth! I mught be a newbie, but I really hate swearing.

ht

  

So sorry. Cussing is cussing. I won't stop for anybody. When I'm mad, I say how I feel.

And fine, he. So sorry.

Dragon

>Thank you, Tim.
As for my challenger:

1) The slash meant "and", b*tch.
2) You don't like my f*cking writing, then don't f*cking read it.
3) Don't jump down my throat. Next time I won't be so nice.

Tim, forgive me for the bad words, but I'm gonna put her in her place. Nevertheless, I still meant in Wicca and in Witcraft. In Wicca it is used for prayer and witchcraft its use for spells. I'm pagan too. I said AND because not all Wiccans are witches (I for example am one of those people) and vice versa. So I included both.<

What Tim said could very easily apply to you too, Dragon. Also, there is no call to use the phrase "b*tch here. None. It's really uncalled for to call people names. Not to mention that that particular word is *extremely* offensive, and not just to the person you're slinging it at.

Also, "Tim, forgive me for the bad words, but I'm gonna put her in her place." Are you that threatened by someone challenging you?

One last thing, I realize that you concider it your right to cuss. But it's not the best thing to do when there are people whose parents might freak out over it around. Plus, alot of people, myself included find it rather offensive. Could you maybe tone it down a little? Like maybe take the F-word out of your signature?

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~Jessa~





-my el-jay-

  

Just defending my not-so-good honor, people. Lay off. Its done with.

As for the cussing. It is my right to cuss or say whatever the hell I want. I'm stressing that for a reason. I do know its offensive, which is why I used it. If it is offensive to other people they'll just have to deal. They chose to get in my business.

And it is not my problem that your parents freak out. You'll just have to explain to them that its not your fault and you try to avoid me as much as possible. Which I'm sure you will after this post. I'd rather have you hate me than stop swearing.

Just who I am. Ask anybody who knows/talks to me. Sorry.

Dragon

Dragon

>As for the cussing. It is my right to cuss or say whatever
>the hell I want. I'm stressing that for a reason.

Um, no, I'm sorry, but it's really not. In your own private writing, or talking to friends who don't mind your language, it's your right to cuss. However, in most places it's not legal to scream profanities in the middle of the street, and yes, the "profanity" part IS specifically illegal, not just the "causing a nuisance by screaming in the middle of the street" part. You don't have the right to swear whenever and wherever you want. If you want to swear online, find a bulletin board where the majority of people don't mind it, or create your own. But don't do it here.

>I do know
>its offensive, which is why I used it.

Why did you want to offend armand? Sure, he jumped on you for almost no reason at all, but it was because he misunderstood you. I would think that people could better be swayed to your point of view if you carefully explained what you had meant and why it was right, instead of trying to offend them. Not that you didn't explain your point of view; you did that, but I think hurling obscenities at armand before you got to your point wasn't the best way to ensure he paid attention to the point.

>If it is offensive to
>other people they'll just have to deal. They chose to get in
>my business.

'Fraid not. You chose to make it their business by blatantly disregarding one of the very few rules on a PUBLIC board not run by you. They're not choosing to see the F-word on their screens-- sure, they can scroll past all your posts if they don't agree with your opinions, but sometimes words jump out like that.

>And it is not my problem that your parents freak out. You'll
>just have to explain to them that its not your fault and you
>try to avoid me as much as possible. Which I'm sure you will
>after this post. I'd rather have you hate me than stop
>swearing.

Unfortunately, not everybody's parents are that reasonable. For some people who post here, it's hard enough reading and/or participating in conversations about religion, sex, mental health, and other issues and trying to keep their parents off their backs at the same time. They don't need gratuitous profanity added into the mix. You're trying to make this into a free speech issue, and it's not, except in the broadest sense of the phrase. There are some places where it is not acceptable to swear. I don't tell my professors to F-off. I don't tell the cops to F-off. And even if it were your right to swear here, it's simple common courtesy not to. The majority of people here do not want swearing, and certainly no one wants you to call them names. Could you try to have respect for the people here?

I don't hate you. Yet. Well, I'm sure I'll never hate you, as "hate" is a very strong word, but if you keep up with the swearing and being disrespectful of other people, maybe I'll grow to dislike you eventually.

>Just who I am. Ask anybody who knows/talks to me. Sorry.

Saying "sorry" without changing your behaviour doesn't seem too sorry to me.

In case you're wondering, I'm not against swearing in general. I'm actually a very profane person, and normally I curse A LOT. However, I don't curse on Sheroes, because I respect the people here, and I respect the rules of the board. It's not as if there are a bunch of arbitrary rules here; there are very few of them, and they all exist for a reason. Besides, although normally I like to swear, I have a good enough vocabulary that I can express myself without doing so, and I don't get uptight about it being inappropriate to swear here.

Adri

And in other news, THE DEAD WALK THE EARTH!

>Um, no, I'm sorry, but it's really not. In your own private writing, or talking to friends who don't mind your language, it's your right to cuss.<

Freedom of Speech.

>However, in most places it's not legal to scream profanities in the middle of the street, and yes, the "profanity" part IS specifically illegal, not just the "causing a nuisance by screaming in the middle of the street" part.<

*cough cough* That would be disturibing the peace and verbal assult. Cussing in particular is not illegal. And I was not screaming at him, nor are we on a street.

>You don't have the right to swear whenever and wherever you want. If you want to swear online, find a bulletin board where the majority of people don't mind it, or create your own. But don't do it here.<

I do, and I will. It won't always be in anger, mind you. If I feel like cussing, despite my mood then I will. And isn't this board about liberality? It doesn't make sense to me how a board all about freewill and beliefs doesn't allow the use of profanity--even when its edited. Just not the way they want it edited.

>For some people who post here, it's hard enough reading and/or participating in conversations about religion, sex, mental health, and other issues and trying to keep their parents off their backs at the same time.<

What the hell are they doing here then? That's pretty much the reason for the board. If they can't handle it, they shouldn't be here.

>You're trying to make this into a free speech issue, and it's not, except in the broadest sense of the phrase. There are some places where it is not acceptable to swear. I don't tell my professors to F-off. I don't tell the cops to F-off.<

Yes, it is. I have the right to say the words, and that's that. In school it is a rule. And they made that rule, which falls under disturbing the peace and verbal assult under true law. And that's if your making a big deal. G-ddamit, even the teachers swear!

>And even if it were your right to swear here, it's simple common courtesy not to. The majority of people here do not want swearing, and certainly no one wants you to call them names. Could you try to have respect for the people here?<

Well, my swearing is not directed toward them, and it is NOT any of their business. I do have respect for the people here, just not people who jump on my case. I have a rule: If you don't respect me, I won't respect you back. And if words that are not directed to you and are not any of your business offend you I can't help that. Not my problem.

>I don't hate you. Yet. Well, I'm sure I'll never hate you, as "hate" is a very strong word, but if you keep up with the swearing and being disrespectful of other people, maybe I'll grow to dislike you eventually.<

That's fine.

>In case you're wondering, I'm not against swearing in general. I'm actually a very profane person, and normally I curse A LOT. However, I don't curse on Sheroes, because I respect the people here, and I respect the rules of the board.<

I wasn't wondering. I usually don't swear a WHOLE lot on sheroes either. If I do, its not in anger. Sometimes, if the person makes me upset enough, I will do it in anger. I can help that just as much as a bird can help crapping.

Yeah, somebody brought up the rules of the board to me. I try not to let my anger get out of hand, but I still cuss. There will be no changing me in that.

Being profane has nothing to do with respect. At least to me. As long as I'm not doing it to hurt somebody its fine. And when I do use it to hurt somebody, other people need to stay out of my business. Or else they get me more mad, which is where I get caught up into a flaming war. I've been doing pretty well this time around.

>I have a good enough vocabulary that I can express myself without doing so, and I don't get uptight about it being inappropriate to swear here.<

What a weak insult! Considering that I'm a writer, it means nothing to me. Don't try insulting me on purpose, deary. It won't work.

Okay, I'm sick of dealing with you people. I will not reply to the next person who has a comment. I can only stand hounding for my beliefs to a certain extent. Unless you want me to freak, lay off. F*cking lay off.

Have a nice day,
Dragon

Dragon

"Freedom of Speech"

This is the internet, not the United States.

You can say anything you want to, sure. But Tim, Tammy, and the mods of the forum you say it in have the right to edit it. And ban you for using words they don't think are appropriete.

Censorship on the internet is a reality. You can say freedom of speech all you like. That still doesn't give you the right to say anything you like on their discussion forum.
"Cussing in particular is not illegal"

It depends on where you are, actually. In some towns, local law prohibits cursing. Even if it's old and mostly ignored, it's still a law and can still be enforced. So while it's probably not illegal where you are, the blanket statement that it is not illegal isn't correct.

"even the teachers swear!"

So that automatically makes it a good thing to do?

"I do"

You have the right to say what Tammy and Tim allow you to say. Period.

"And isn't this board about liberality?"

Not wanting to drop the f-bomb in front of 11, 10, even 9 year olds isn't exactly conservative.

" I have the right to say the words"

see above.

"just not people who jump on my case."

In other words, people who disagree with you, and say that they do?

"I can help that just as much as a bird can help crapping. "

So what you say, do, and type isn't your responsability? That's a mature opinion. I know five-year-old's who are smarter then to suggest that they are helpless against doing something that is completely and utterly a choice and excersise of free will. Take some responcibility.

"Don't try insulting me on purpose, deary. It won't work."

It clearly did if you felt the need to respond. Deary.

Ad hominem is a very way to respond to disagreement. Which is in itself ad hominem. Hmm. Is pointing out that you indulge in ad hominem, in itself ad hominem? I wonder.

"I will not reply to the next person who has a comment"

That's also weak thing to do.

"Unless you want me to freak, lay off"

We're not responcible for what you do. You are. Saying we make you freak doesn't actually make us responcible, you know.

Hmm. I think that I'm endangering my chances of staying a member of the board. I think that some other people here already have. So I'll just stop right there. At the end.

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merrrik

>*cough cough* That would be disturibing the peace and verbal
>assult. Cussing in particular is not illegal. And I was not
>screaming at him, nor are we on a street.

No, cussing in particular is not illegal in most places. However, cussing AT someone who does not want to be cussed at is verbal assault, so that's illegal. (I'm not saying armand has a particular problem with being cussed at; it's just that it seems that you are not adverse to the idea of cussing at someone who doesn't want to hear that.) I just meant that it doesn't particularly matter how LOUD it is, or if you're being physically violent at the time or anything. I also have already figured out that you're not on a street-- it was an example. Must you take things so literally? It was just my way of saying that you don't always have an inalienable right to say "whatever the hell you want," as you put it. If you were spouting racist diatribes and promoting hatred against a group of people, that would be something else you aren't allowed to say. (That is another example, like the screaming on the street one. I'm not calling you a bigot or saying this is something you did. It's an example.)

>I do, and I will. It won't always be in anger, mind you. If
>I feel like cussing, despite my mood then I will. And isn't
>this board about liberality? It doesn't make sense to me how
>a board all about freewill and beliefs doesn't allow the use
>of profanity--even when its edited. Just not the way they
>want it edited.

I've run several bulletin boards, and plan to run more in my life. At those boards, people were allowed to curse whenever they wanted, without editing, and say anything they pleased, even if it attacked someone else. That was not encouraged, but it was permitted, because of my belief in freedom of speech. However, I don't see this as a freedom of speech issue. Don't the people who run the boards here want you to tone down the cursing and insulting? Tammy and Tim can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they appreciate you calling someone a "b*tch." Do you think you could respect them, and the people you're insulting and offending, a bit more? I think this is primarily an issue of respect.

>>For some people who post here, it's hard enough reading and/or participating in conversations about religion, sex, mental health, and other issues and trying to keep their parents off their backs at the same time.<
>
>What the hell are they doing here then? That's pretty much
>the reason for the board. If they can't handle it, they
>shouldn't be here.

Um, just because their parents disapprove of them reading the board doesn't mean they personally "can't handle it." Fact is, some people's parents monitor their Internet access to some extent. This doesn't mean that their children don't "deserve" to be here, or that they automatically share their parents' viewpoints. Freedom of speech in general, I see as important. I don't see your so-called "right" to attack other people as important enough that it should make it more difficult for a number of other people to be able to read Sheroes. (I actually don't see the parent aspect as incredibly important, but I feel like arguing anyway.)

>>You're trying to make this into a free speech issue, and it's not, except in the broadest sense of the phrase. There are some places where it is not acceptable to swear. I don't tell my professors to F-off. I don't tell the cops to F-off.<
>
>Yes, it is. I have the right to say the words, and that's
>that. In school it is a rule. And they made that rule, which
>falls under disturbing the peace and verbal assult under
>true law. And that's if your making a big deal. G-ddamit,
>even the teachers swear!

Psst-- it's a rule here, too! You know, the one about not being mean to other people. I'm sure the fact that you were using profanity doesn't bother people nearly as much as the fact that it was directed against another Sheroes member.

>I wasn't wondering. I usually don't swear a WHOLE lot on
>sheroes either. If I do, its not in anger. Sometimes, if the
>person makes me upset enough, I will do it in anger. I can
>help that just as much as a bird can help crapping.

You can't help it? What, do you have some form of typing Tourette's? I mean no disrespect to people who actually suffer from Tourette's; I know some people who do. I just mean that that's a lame excuse if I ever heard one-- "I can't help it." You don't have the ability to click on the "Edit" link if you say something in anger? I liked it better when you were actually taking responsibility for your actions.

>Yeah, somebody brought up the rules of the board to me. I
>try not to let my anger get out of hand, but I still cuss.
>There will be no changing me in that.

You were cussing DIRECTLY AT SOMEONE. Against the rules of the board, okay? Understand?

>Being profane has nothing to do with respect. At least to
>me. As long as I'm not doing it to hurt somebody its fine.
>And when I do use it to hurt somebody, other people need to
>stay out of my business. Or else they get me more mad, which
>is where I get caught up into a flaming war. I've been doing
>pretty well this time around.

Maybe to YOU it has nothing to do with respect, but it does to other people. If you cuss at them and you know they're going to take that as a sign of disrespect, then you ARE consciously disrespecting them, since you know they're going to see it as disrespectful. Never underestimate the importance of perception.

>>I have a good enough vocabulary that I can express myself without doing so, and I don't get uptight about it being inappropriate to swear here.<
>
>What a weak insult! Considering that I'm a writer, it means
>nothing to me. Don't try insulting me on purpose, deary. It
>won't work.

If you don't want me to take words OUT of your mouth, then kindly don't put words IN my mouth, okay? Saying that I have a decent vocabulary does not mean that I think you don't. I'm not trying to insult you. Believe it or not, people can disagree with other people without insulting them. In fact, that's pretty much my freakin' point here: if you want to disagree with people's opinions, that's perfectly fine. If you want to verbally attack the person, that's not fine.

>Okay, I'm sick of dealing with you people. I will not reply
>to the next person who has a comment. I can only stand
>hounding for my beliefs to a certain extent. Unless you want
>me to freak, lay off. F*cking lay off.

I disagree with you, therefore I'm "hounding" you. That's beautiful. I don't recall saying, "I'm gonna make you stop swearing!" You've got a perfect right to disagree with the rules of this board, and to think that it's okay to be rude to other people. You can think that, but should you actually do it? No, a small number of rules do exist here, and they exist for a reason. I'm not even directly enforcing any of these rules; I'm just telling you why I believe you should adhere to them.

Adri

And in other news, THE DEAD WALK THE EARTH!

Hey, guys- let's just end the arguement here, okay? No more replying to every word that was said, no more getting worked up about a misunderstanding. This is a Discussion Board- if you want to fight, please do it elsewhere. There's enough war in the world as it is.

Thanks.

Dragon and Armand, your First Amendment rights do not apply here on a private board which Tammy owns and I administrate, where you agree to certain rules and regulations when you join - among them, not to flame and to watch your language.

You two want to snarl at each other, do it by e-mail from now on and leave the rest of us out of it,

Sincerely,
Tim
Your Admin

Best,
Tim
Your Admin

I've only been snarled at, except for one responce, which did not flame Dragon, nor did I swear at Dragon.

When I look at your post, really, everything you said i've either agreed with or said nothing about.

Yes, first amendment rights aren't avaliable online. Which I had pointed out to someone (who happened to be dragon). Yes, we agree to certain rules. I haven't flamed anyone. I haven't used any bad langauge.

More people have been "snarl"ing at each other then me. I don't think it's fair to blame me for being cursed at. I didn't bring anyone into anything. If other people choose to care that I was cursed at, I shouldn't be blamed at all, and that is what I feel you are doing. Blaming me for the actions of people who chose to stand up for the very rules that you are trying to enforce, and that other people, including me, are standing up for and supporting.

I feel that your post unfairly adresses me, and that it totally ignores everyone else that was involved. I, excepting one post stating the things you are stating, have had nothing to do with the arugment about swearing except for having people stand up for me.

I won't ask you to revise your post or anything. I just feel like you're using your adminy power and authority without having even examined what the situation was like. The only reason I can even think of that I was mentioned was because I said something which provoked Dragon. Other's came to my defence. In my opinion, I am clearly not the problem here. Maybe you think differently?

But I would like to know why I was specifically adressed, when there where more people then me involved, and more people involved to a much greater extent then me involved. I can't think of any reason, but I would like to know why you said what you said.

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merrrik

>I won't ask you to revise your post or anything. I just feel like you're using your adminy power and authority without having even examined what the situation was like. The only reason I can even think of that I was mentioned was because I said something which provoked Dragon. Other's came to my defence. In my opinion, I am clearly not the problem here. Maybe you think differently?<

I know I said I would post again, but hey. No, you armand, you are NOT the problem anymore. In fact, I was pissed because it was a thing between me and you, and became about everybody BUT you.

Armand, you insulted my writing: "Your bad phrasing is not my problem."

That triggered me.

"In the future, please trust my judgement as to what I am, quote yourself correctly, and say what you mean before talking to me as if I am the one that's wrong."

That made me shoot off. Its not the line itself that is so bad, but to me it sounded stiff, uptight, and downright b*tchy. Which is why I called you a b*tch.

I gotta go check my mail. PM me if you have anything further to say. Please. I don't want these idiots up in OUR business.

Dragon

Actually, Armand and Dragon, you're right about my last post. It was out of line for me, and I apologize for that. All I can say in my own defense is that I've had a rotten month or so, and I let my temper get the better of my judgment.

That said, how about getting this thread back on track?

Best,
Tim
Your Admin

Best,
Tim
Your Admin

well said Tim!

*applauds*

Ratesjul

Um, what's flaming? *feels really stupid for not knowing*
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

F You! Stupid head!

That's flaming. . I'm not flaming you, just to avoid confusion.

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merrrik

Oh, k.
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

Geez, Dragon! Could you please just not curse for once? It seems to me that you're actually bragging about how much you curse. It's not a cool habit. At all. Though you seem to think that it makes you cool. Yeah, so just GIVE IT A REST, okay? Thank you. You can express yourself in other ways than cursing.

Excuse me. That is very offensive. I know Tammy told everybody to chill out and not reply but I feel that I need to!

Geez. If my parents saw these threads I would off Sheroes faster than you can say the F word! That doesn't mean "I shouldn't ##### be here because I can't deal with it" it means that I am a 13 year old! This board is for people of all ages! It's not for you to turn into your R rated playground.

I know you've apologized, and I accept it. But please try not to swear! For us, the people of Sheroes who would not be allowed to come anymore if you don't stop. I know it's part of your personality, but try and leave it offline.

same here. i'm 14, and i admit that i have a mouth, but i hold it in while i'm on sheroes. you never know if there is some 9, 10 year old kid on here that can pick up my, our, bad mouths.

Trisana

be calm, breathe. breathe.

"There is none more worthy of their shield then the Lady Knight."

Before you're critical of others, be critical of yourself.

>Just who I am. Ask anybody who knows/talks to me. Sorry.
I can vouch for that! I do not curse, but I ignore her cursing it's part of her it's her personality!
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

It's kind of like saying "Amen" at the end of a prayer.

Steph_7
My titles are on my profile.

"We dance, we kiss, we schmooze, we carry on, we go home happy.... whaddaya say? huh?"
"I hear the voices in my head, I swear to god it sounds like they're snoring..."
"Nobody asks to be a hero... sometimes it just turns out that way."
"Rick 'em, rock 'em, ruck 'em, let's go out and... fight."
Paranoid! I am NOT paranoid!
THERE REALLY IS AN ENTIRE MEN'S SOCCER TEAM, AND Gavin Rossdale (from Bush) CHASING AFTER ME!!!
You see, if I was paranoid, I would be afraid! It's just everytime I turn around to run into their arms~they disappear or hide!!!! ~slogan courtesy of RockiG~

Steph_7
My titles got deleted.

"Scars are souveniers you never lose." -Goo Goo Dolls
"Amateurs built the ark .... Professionals built the Titanic"

'so mote it be' = so might it be. I looked mote up, and it came up as might, so, ya. Just to inform ya'll.

.:|katy|:.

'Make like a tree and run - oh...' (I was getting squire that day, I was SUPER SUPER hypo)

Katy.

Okay, all, I second the motion to chill, for everyone. When I left last, this was a discussion of a particular phrase, not a quarrel over semantics which degenerated into heroic offensive/defensive discussions of personal style.

Dragon, for the record, anyone who knows me knows I have a serious case of potty mouth. I don't let myself speak as I normally do here or in schools and in bookstores, because it's inappropriate. If you want to swear here, do so. Just type in the whole ##### word and let the software cover it up. You'll have vented your feelings, everyone will know you swore, you won't be candy-coating yourself for anyone, and those who don't like it won't have their noses rubbed in it. It's ##### like this that got the Free Speech Movement of the Sixties renamed the Foul Speech Movement and dismissed by the majority that really needed to be hearing free speech.

Armand, Tim singled you out because you responded to Dragon in a blatantly confrontational manner. The responses that followed were objections and counter-arguments, mostly interspersed with "pleases," and "won't you's"--they weren't orders. Not everyone who has a semantic difference from what you say is allied with the forces of darkness. Responding as if you had just received a major diss and declaration of war was inappropriate for this board.

You all agreed to the rules posted on the main page of Sheroes when you joined, rules which prohibit flaming, trolling, provocative language, and verbal abuse. Armand's right--this isn't a public forum, and while we're open to a lot more in the way of freedom of speech than most forums where part of the audience is younger, we do set clearly identified limits. Except for the occasional skirmish, this has worked out pretty well. Let's keep it that way.

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

I'm not really sure what this is a response to so um..

I'm have a temper like a lot of people at sheroes, but the thing is i don't cuss in front of ten year olds because i think of it as screwing up the kids, and adults do that enough. sheroes make people more open minded to things their parents absolutely hate and refuse to talk to them about, which is one of the reasons i like being a member of it.

By the way: tammy would you mind posting some tips and advice in the writing forum for developing characters. I think alot of people would greatly benifit from it.

"There is none more worthy of their shield then the Lady Knight."

Before you're critical of others, be critical of yourself.

i agree with you completly. i have a temper the size of texas, and i have been known to break in to a string of curses for the smallest thing, yet i still dont curse in frount of little kids. i think its just wrong. younger kids can pick stuff up, heck that how i got my bad mouth.

Trisana

You can't stop Dragon from cursing. No one can. That's just the way she is. Can't people just get that? (btw sorry that I'm putting in my 2 cents when I'm not even part of it, I just have a habit of getting into things when they have to do with my friends...)
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

I can't really say anything in responce to this without raising the same arguments that have been pointed out in this thread against that, which I've been told not to and don't want to bring up.

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merrrik

.:|katy|:.
um, did i do anything wrong. I am not sure and - oh you stupid laptop! (does anyone else here hate laptops or just me?)- if i did, all i meant was that mote means might. I have a bad habit of insulting people, and most of the time i dont notice. If i did insult someone, i am terribly, terribly sorry.

Katy.

Laptop keyboards are annoying! I used to ONLY use a laptop 'cause I was stuck on Mom's computer, but now I hate when I have to use one! The keys feel weird...
When did you insult someone? I only noticed Dragon having insulted ppl/being insulted...
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

.:|katy|:.
Yeah, actually I have just insulted a wholecountry and just had to fx it. but that was in another folder. *shudders* If our normal computer hadnt blown up. (it does that every couple of weeks. Over use) I woudnt have to use this, and if I could put a hammer through it, I would, only it is my fathers from where he works and if i did put a hammer through it he would get fired!

Katy.

It's actually closer to "So may it be" or "so shall it be."

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

I just wanted to thank harri for posting this really interesting thread, which was fun to read (the on topic stuff anyway), and thanks Tammy for telling us all sorts of random useful interesting stuff!

Ratesjul

Ya, and when the stuff she tells isnt useful, it is still interesting (just like her books!) Tammy, what dictionary do you use for stuff like that? I use an internet dictionary. See, this is why I hate dictionarys. People aurgue over who is right and who is wrong. I wont aurgue. I have caused enough trouble this week.




.:|katy|:.

Katy.

How is this a dictionary problem? Am I missing something?
Debra Rose

Debra Rose

wow so it's actually gone back to what it's supposed to be, cool!!



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