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Alys SpyFri Apr-22-05 08:07 PM
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#54639, "I just gotta know!"


          

Spoiler Space for umm... Alanna. SPOILER SPACE**** SPOILER SPACE FOR**** ALANNA**** SPOILER SPACE FOR ALANNA *****








OK. Since Thom died, who is now the Lord and/or Lady of Trebond? Cause they always say, "Alanna of Pirate's Swoop and Olau" not "Alanna of Pirate's Swoop, Olau, and Trebond". Also, what is/was Alanna's last name? The books always refered to her as Alanna of Trebond or Alanna of Pirate's Swoop and Olau. That's not her last name, is it? George has a last name, Cooper. So now that Alanna married him, is that her last name? If so, what was her last name before she married? Please reply

  

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RE: I just gotta know!, fairy, Apr 22nd 2005, #1
RE: I just gotta know!, Kel_rulez, Apr 23rd 2005, #2
RE: I just gotta know!, Kel_rulez, Apr 23rd 2005, #3
RE: I just gotta know!, Kel_rulez, Apr 23rd 2005, #4
RE: I just gotta know!, The_Wildmage, Apr 23rd 2005, #6
      RE: I just gotta know!, Lady Warrioress, May 03rd 2005, #22
RE: I just gotta know!, Alys Spy, Apr 28th 2005, #17
RE: I just gotta know!, daughter_of_moon_ocean, Apr 23rd 2005, #5
RE: I just gotta know!, Cretey, Apr 23rd 2005, #7
RE: I just gotta know!, rose_stone, Apr 23rd 2005, #8
RE: I just gotta know!, starrysky1771, Apr 23rd 2005, #9
RE: I just gotta know!, Fae8787, Apr 25th 2005, #14
RE: I just gotta know!, wheretheexit, Apr 25th 2005, #10
RE: I just gotta know!, armitage135, Apr 25th 2005, #11
RE: I just gotta know!, Michiru_Kaiou, Apr 25th 2005, #12
      RE: I just gotta know!, Fae8787, Apr 25th 2005, #13
           RE: I just gotta know!, Tamora Pierce, Apr 25th 2005, #15
                RE: I just gotta know!, princessteggo, Apr 26th 2005, #16
RE: I just gotta know!, Ynone, Apr 28th 2005, #18
RE: I just gotta know!, pink_princess2721, Apr 28th 2005, #19
RE: I just gotta know!, Kytrine, Apr 29th 2005, #20
RE: I just gotta know!, TPwannab, May 02nd 2005, #21

fairyFri Apr-22-05 10:28 PM
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#54654, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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I believe Coram and Rispah are baron and baroness of Trebond now.



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Kel_rulezSat Apr-23-05 01:13 AM
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#54659, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Yeah, I think thats Coram and Rispah.

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Kel_rulezSat Apr-23-05 01:13 AM
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#54660, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Yeah, I think thats Coram and Rispah.

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Kel_rulezSat Apr-23-05 01:14 AM
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#54661, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Sat Apr-23-05 01:25 AM by Kel_rulez

          

Yeah, I think thats Coram and Rispah.


EDIT:I'm really sorry for posting this 3 times, my Computer went wierd!Hope it didn't cause too much trouble.

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The_WildmageSat Apr-23-05 05:44 PM
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#54691, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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*blinks*

Wow, triple post. Haven't seen on of those.







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Lady WarrioressTue May-03-05 04:50 PM
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#55503, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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I have! I have! I even triple posted once, myself.

  

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Alys SpyThu Apr-28-05 08:48 PM
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#55053, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Well, now that I think about it, that does seem most sensible. Thanks!

  

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daughter_of_moon_oceanSat Apr-23-05 09:55 AM
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#54671, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Nobles don't have last names. They're just So-and-so from Someplace. Commoners, like George, DO have last names because they aren't the lord or whatever of a fiefdom, so they aren't "of" anywhere. George became the baron of Pirate's Swoop before they were married, so he wasn't a commoner anymore, but even if he was Alanna outranked him, so she most likely wouldn't have taken his name. She's still the heir of Olau, after all. ^^



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#54692, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Commoners have last names. Nobles don't.

Coram and Rispah run the fief. I guess Jon granted them nobility like he did George just so they could legally own it.



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rose_stoneSat Apr-23-05 07:27 PM
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#54698, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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I think somewhere in Trickster's Choice it mentions that Coram is now the Baron of Trebond, which I think was a very intellegent move on the part of Alanna.

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starrysky1771Sat Apr-23-05 08:53 PM
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#54709, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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I'm not sure who the Lord of Trebond is, but I can answer your other questions.

Alanna doesn't have a last name, because she's a noble. She married George, and George became a noble. He is no longer George Cooper. He's Geoger of Pirate's Swoop.



  

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#54817, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Most of what you're saying is true, but you're insinuating that George is a noble because he married Alanna; that's not true. He was already Baron of Pirate's Swoop before they got married. She gave Trebond to Coram, and so now she only has the Swoop, which she jointly owns with George, and Olau, which she will inherit when Myles dies (not that that stubborn old man will ever die ).


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#54808, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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If nobles dont have last names, howcome Aly's last name is crow? Tammy said in one of her spoiler posts that Aly took Nawat's last name.

  

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#54809, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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You answered your question in your own post Aly took nawat's last name, she choose to take it.

  

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#54815, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Mon Apr-25-05 03:00 PM by Michiru_Kaiou

          

>If nobles dont have last names, howcome Aly's last name is crow? >Tammy said in one of her spoiler posts that Aly took Nawat's last >name.

If Tammy follows the rules of real life nobility:
with this marriage Alianne lost her status as a noble, since she took Nawat's name.
So, Aly is a commoner now with a real last name.

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#54816, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Actually, I'm fairly certain that she took him name because, as far as most people knew, she was already a commoner. Nobles don't lose their nobility, or that's not something I've ever heard of. She simply went from "Aly Homewood" to "Aly Crow."


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#54820, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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I'm sure Dove will ennoble the family at some point, for service to the crown, just as Jon ennobled George and Coram (and Rispah was ennobled by then marrying Coram). But even if Aly had been living in Rajmuat under her own name, she would have become a commoner's wife when she married Nawat.

And it wasn't Alanna who gave Trebond to Coram, it was Jon. The title reverted to the control of the crown when there was no male heir of the bloodline to inherit it. Some Tortallan fiefdoms are inherited that way; some it doesn't matter if the heir is male or female. It all depends on how the royal grant was made in the first place. With Trebond, inheritance was secured only to the male line. Now it will be Coram's heirs, and (with Rispah's and Alanna's eyes on him when he negotiated and received the grant and signed it) the fiefdom will now pass to his heirs, whatever their sex, male or female.

Not that he would have assigned inheritance only to the boys on his own!

I hope.

Really, it's just as well, don't you think?

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#54863, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Coram and Rispah's heirs, eh? I don't recall reading about any littl'uns... have there been any mentioned that I've missed? Does Coram plan to name an heir, like Myles did to Alanna?


  

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#55055, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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So would Aly still inherit from Alanna and George after they die?

  

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#55059, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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i dont know i think maybe alan or tom would probably inherit since they are in tortall

  

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#55089, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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I think Thom will because he is the first-born so right now he is the heir and when George and Alanna die he will become Baron of Pirate's Swoop.

  

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#55454, "RE: I just gotta know!"
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Wasn't Coram training some guy to do that when Allana was on her way to the City of the Gods with George so she could talk to Thom about a certain smilin gentleman?

  

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