Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Top Entertainment and Pop Culture Tamora Pierce's Books topic #57722
View in linear mode

Subject: "Alanna and Insanity?" First topic | Last topic
TinkerbellMon Jun-13-05 01:18 PM
Member since Apr 02nd 2005
827 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
#57722, "Alanna and Insanity?"


  

          

While re-reading In the Hand of the Goddess, I noticed this line in a conversation between Duke Roger and Alanna:

"Roger bowed. 'I appreciate your honesty, Alan of Trebond. Not many dare be so open with me.'

She smiled crookedly. 'Not many have insanity in their families, either.'"

Wait. Did I miss something? Alanna has insanity in her family?
Did any of you catch this before, and which family member do you think she is referring to?

Love is the province of the brave

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Replies to this topic
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Calianna, Jun 13th 2005, #1
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, diamondflame, Jun 13th 2005, #2
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, _sivvus_, Jun 13th 2005, #3
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, jill poole, Jun 13th 2005, #4
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, daughter_of_moon_ocean, Jun 13th 2005, #5
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, fairy, Jun 13th 2005, #6
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Lady Deirdra, Jun 13th 2005, #7
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, LadyWriter, Jun 13th 2005, #8
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, daughter_of_moon_ocean, Jun 14th 2005, #10
      RE: Alanna and Insanity?, LadyWriter, Jun 14th 2005, #11
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Fae8787, Jun 14th 2005, #9
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Anastasia, Jun 14th 2005, #12
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, RockLass, Jun 17th 2005, #13
      RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Kel_rulez, Jun 17th 2005, #14
           RE: Alanna and Insanity?, moonlightrider, Jun 18th 2005, #15
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, mereditha, Jun 29th 2005, #16
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, musicmagicalfire, Jun 29th 2005, #17
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, melusine, Jun 30th 2005, #18
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Meldathoniel, Jul 01st 2005, #19
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Tamora Pierce, Jul 02nd 2005, #20
RE: Alanna and Insanity?, Charlotte Elizabeth of Raylon, Jul 02nd 2005, #21

CaliannaMon Jun-13-05 01:23 PM
Member since Jul 12th 2004
5049 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57724, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

She uses that line several times in the books. I always assumed that it was just a joke, but I'm not sure.



http://onmysleve.blogspot.com/

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
diamondflameMon Jun-13-05 01:26 PM
Member since Apr 19th 2004
1089 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57725, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

Its an old Tammy line, i think. It is used by alanna mainly, but i recall Daine and Aly both using it a bit. And Thom is crazy, and if he is with Roger, Alanna definately has insanity in her family!!!
She who reads Pierce
AKA ylila
GUARDIAN OF GEORGE'S EAR COLLECTION

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

_sivvus_Mon Jun-13-05 01:33 PM
Member since Apr 06th 2003
14048 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57726, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I think it's just a retaliatory thing.

Although, a lot of people thought her father was quite strange.

That'd make a good backstory, though.



  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

jill pooleMon Jun-13-05 02:08 PM
Member since Aug 14th 2003
262 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
#57727, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I always thought is was a simple Alanna-ism. I mean, I have insanity in MY family, and I'll casually toss that out when I'm being reckless. So for all we know it could be a great-grandfather or something who was a little off, and not worhty of backstory.

As someone else said - Aly says it (which means she took Alanna's joke seriously or there really IS insanity in the Trebond line). Daine does, too, but more along the lines of referencing her own bout with the wolves before learning about her magic.

Overall, I think it's just a throw-away humorous line.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

daughter_of_moon_oceanMon Jun-13-05 06:20 PM
Member since Jan 26th 2003
14597 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57735, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I think we all have insanity in our families. Have you ever met my uncles?

I agree with what everyone else said - it's just a favourite line of Alanna's.



Just Finished: Vacations From Hell by Libba Bray, etc.
Currently Reading: The Singing by Alison Croggon

Novel Count for 2010: 26

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

fairyMon Jun-13-05 08:10 PM
Member since Dec 15th 2004
5463 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57739, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I always figured she was making a comment that no one else would fully understand about herself being insane enough to try for her shield.



Re-reading Tammy's complete novels this summer...
Current progress - 8/26
Just Finished - Shatterglass
Currently Reading - Will of the Empress

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Lady DeirdraMon Jun-13-05 08:42 PM
Member since Apr 04th 2004
1744 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
#57742, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

I always thought it was just Alanna retorting to Roger too. But you know, it's possible that her great-aunt was insane or something like that. I agree that Thom was a little out of it too. Anyway, I always assumed it was just a joke.

~Annie

I'm still looking for the fred and george banner.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

LadyWriterMon Jun-13-05 09:51 PM
Member since Feb 22nd 2005
276 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57746, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I thought it was a serious reference to her family-- thought that one of her parents had died due to insanity or something. (her father?)

~*~

 ./
<_n_
 `B'\)
 /^>
`  `

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
daughter_of_moon_oceanTue Jun-14-05 10:01 AM
Member since Jan 26th 2003
14597 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57764, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

No, her mother died in childbirth and her father never really got over it. I think he died of some illness like consumption - he never seemed to go outside or even leave his study. He wallowed in grief and ancient books.



Just Finished: Vacations From Hell by Libba Bray, etc.
Currently Reading: The Singing by Alison Croggon

Novel Count for 2010: 26

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
LadyWriterTue Jun-14-05 03:12 PM
Member since Feb 22nd 2005
276 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57776, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 10


  

          

aah... see, i being young and foolish probably confused grief for insanity... *smile* thanks!

~*~

 ./
<_n_
 `B'\)
 /^>
`  `

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Fae8787Tue Jun-14-05 08:36 AM
Member since Aug 02nd 2002
181 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
#57759, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Yeah, I think she just meant it as a joke, though I believe she was sort of (jokingly) referring to her father, who wasn't exactly crazy but did become extremely distant after her mother died. Another thing she may have been referring to could be the switch she and Thom made that started the whole thing...I believe she mentioned to him that if they were caught they'd be in serious trouble and they must have been nuts to be doing it. Or maybe she just thought that, I dunno.

Either way, though, I believe it was meant as a joke with a mildly serious undertone.


Cheers!
~Fae

May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind always be at your back,
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
May the rains fall softly upon your fields....
-Irish Blessing

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

AnastasiaTue Jun-14-05 03:47 PM
Member since Jan 02nd 2004
4203 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57777, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I always figured it was true but she used it as a joke. Like maybe a few generations back one of her relatives was insane, or something.

I can't really see it as a random joke line.

~

"We must go forward, not backward, upward, not forward,
and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
RockLassFri Jun-17-05 05:41 AM
Member since Jan 10th 2005
189 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57870, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 12


          


>I can't really see it as a random joke line.

It's funny, but it never actually occoured to me that it might be anything more than exactly that. Now, of course, I'm wondering like anything..

Lass

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Kel_rulezFri Jun-17-05 08:44 AM
Member since Jan 06th 2004
852 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57872, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 13


          

Yeah I always thought it was a joke and that she didn't seriously mean she had insanity in her family, right?

I remember Aly and definitely Daine using it before...

<a href="http://www.another-place.org/tegalto/quiz/tortallquiz.html"><img src="" border="0" alt="Who in Tortall are you? - Quiz by Teggo"></a>

invisionfree.com/.../ index.php?showuser=427
http://www.msndo

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
moonlightriderSat Jun-18-05 04:36 PM
Member since Jan 04th 2002
998 posts
Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#57923, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 14


          

Most noble families are a bit inbred... stands to reason.

I use that line occasionally; I had a couple of great-uncles in asylums. We think they actually had early-onset Alzheimer's, though.

Daine thought she was insane.

Moonlightrider

"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." - Douglas Adams

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

meredithaWed Jun-29-05 12:03 PM
Member since Jun 29th 2005
44 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#58270, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

I think that Alanna ment the opposite of what she said. Mabe she ment that she knew things like girls can be knights. The world thought that they couldn't. She was saying that she had uncommen sense

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

musicmagicalfireWed Jun-29-05 02:10 PM
Member since Jun 20th 2005
447 posts
Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#58276, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

I always figured it was something further back, like the great-great grandfather or something.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

melusineThu Jun-30-05 11:23 PM
Member since Jan 07th 2005
20 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#58364, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

hmm... I always just thought it was a joke

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

MeldathonielFri Jul-01-05 09:59 PM
Member since Jul 01st 2005
9 posts
Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#58403, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


          



i think u use the term 'insainity' to litterally. by insane she probably ment herself, or thom, or her dad. but prbably thom. think about it. read his letters to her.notice the fact that thom RAISES A GUY FROM THE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! i think thats insane.
but thats just my opinion

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Tamora PierceSat Jul-02-05 10:08 AM
Charter member
6105 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#58411, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Thom would have been insane about raising the dead only if he'd had no Gift and wasn't planning to dig them up. Or even if he did dig them up and thought he could do the spells despite having the Gift.

But seriously, folks, if you go back far enough in anyone's tree, you'll find everyone's family had some nutballs, to greater and lesser extent, in it. And these days, with everyone in some kind of therapy or on some kind of medications at some point in her/his life, is it even fair to use it as a judgment?

I had to cut a whole bit with Kel and one of the other squires facing the Ordeal who was genuinely afraid he would go mad and who knew of a previous squire who had suffered a psychotic break in the Chamber. It made for too much book, so it had to go.

But it's a joke. Everyone has someone who copes with alternate realities in their family trees, going sideways along the cousins, or back along the greats. Alanna and Co. are simply being puckish.

And when you're a blue-blooded noble in the Book of Gold like Lord Alan, you're not crazy, only eccentric.

Tammy

“No person is your friend who demands your silence.”
Alice Walker

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Charlotte Elizabeth of RaylonSat Jul-02-05 01:34 PM
Member since Nov 03rd 2002
172 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
#58421, "RE: Alanna and Insanity?"
In response to Reply # 20


          

so if we all pretend we're blue blooded nobels can we tell the nice men trying to put us all in strait-jackets that we arn't crazy, just eccentric?

Charlotte Elizabeth III of Raylon A.K.A CENA-she who weaves smoke and shadow.
"In English, you learn the rules and through learning them, earn the right to break them."-My English teacher

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Top Entertainment and Pop Culture Tamora Pierce's Books topic #57722First topic | Last topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.26
Copyright 1997-2005 DCScripts.com